Interview with Wolfgang Ischinger 'We Are Experiencing an Epochal Shift

''DER SPIEGEL: Mr. Ischinger, was there a single moment when you realized that the old world order was slipping?
Ischinger: Absolutely. It was in February 2007, the year before I took over the chairmanship of the Munich Security Conference. Vladimir Putin was speaking in Munich and in an extremely aggressive tone, he called into question the U.S. claim to leadership. I was sitting in the audience and, behind me, a journalist said: This is going to change the world. It was a turning point, the beginning of something new.
DER SPIEGEL: Was that clear to you at the time?
Ischinger: We didn't take it seriously enough. I'm not excluding myself. We tried to ignore the war in Georgia in 2008 and essentially tried to deny reality until March 2014, until the annexation of Crimea. Then, it wasn't possible..''
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